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6 Airbnb houses in Kanab, Utah

Today Guest is Rhees. He is preparing to run 6 Airbnb listings in Kanab in Utah. The listing is called “Timber & Tin C 2 bed 2 bath w/ Pool & Rooftop Deck.” They are still under construction and his first guests will arrive in May. There is no historical data about the occupancy rate. 

Rhees: They’re actually duplexes. All right. And so there’s gonna be two, two sides of each, you know, so there are two sides to the duplex. Each side is about 1000 little over 1000 square feet. two bedrooms, two baths, and is going to be able to sleep about 7 on each side. There’s going to be 3 duplexes on the property. And then we’ve also we’ve put in a pool and a nice Recreation Area pavilion, and we’ve restored an old barn that was my great grandparents’ barn we restored that so that’s going to be a cool kind of gathering place for everybody that stays at the property

J: What makes you want to get into this?

Rhees: I’ve always wanted to get into real estate investing to try to find a way to get into. That makes financial sense. I feel like this is a way that you can get into it even without, you know, necessarily finding the best, you know, super cheap, low priced deals that a lot of real estates investors are looking for I mean, you can still buy In a regular priced home or unit somewhere. And if you do it the right way you can, you can turn a profit and a good profit did a good return on your investment with Airbnb. And you know, just vacation rentals, short term rentals. So that’s kind of why I started to get into it is because the financial opportunity is there.

J: What’s your expected return or monthly

Rhees: Right now our expected ROI, our vacation rentals are in Kanab Utah, which is where I’m from my hometown. And it’s right in the middle of a bunch of different national parks Zion National Park, the Grand Canyon, Bryce Canyon National Park. So it’s just a really beautiful area a lot of tourists come through here. So, even if we calculate, you know, at the price point that we want to introduce the conservative price point We believe we can get for the rental and a conservative amount of nights booked a year, which we say, you know, $100- $150 a night at our rentals and 200 nights a year is pretty, pretty average around here in Kanab in this tourist area. And so with if we hit those numbers we’d be able to turn about at 12 to 13% return on investment based on our expenses and what we’d be able to pull from it. 

J: What channels will you be using? 

Rhees: Yeah, we’ll be using Airbnb, VRBO, Homeaway and then we will also work to, you know, Get bookings through our own website, which we’re currently building.

J: Do you use any kind of service to build a website?

Rhees: We’re just No, I’m actually just doing it myself using Wix. 

J: How did you price?

Rhees: Yeah, that’s a good question. So the way we’ve kind of looked at it is we try to price you know, we always want to price competitively but we don’t want to sometimes that Airbnb suggested prices are a little low or just, you know not quite right for our market and so we’re pricing we kind of priced day today we’re always checking in. We are always looking at the prices. So you know, we have a set price that we don’t want to go below but then if we have, you know, days in between bookings that need to be full when they once it starts getting closer to that time that we can, you know, drop the price to see if we can fill those dates.  

J: How did you do your market research? 

Rhees: We just know a lot of people around town that run Airbnb. We went to the travel council got stats from them of how many people are coming through every night and how many are staying in hotels versus vacation rentals and then we just did a lot of research on Airbnb, ourselves scrolling through seeing what people are pricing their places and seeing what the places look like and how we can gain a competitive advantage right. So newer places with amenities like a pool or a hot tub always booked out first and so we figured we could create a place like that right that we don’t do well in the market,

J: What Market Research tool do you use? Eg. AirDNA, Mashivisor, Alltherooms.

Rhees: We kind of tried to look. We tried to use one of those right but the town we’re in is pretty small and so they didn’t have a tonne of There’s a couple weeks of depth, there wasn’t a tonne of data, just not on our town.

J: How many listings are there in your area?

Rhees: There are about a little over 250 listings around town. Yeah.

J: What were the exact problems you had with data from AirDNA and other tools? 

Rhees: There were over 200 listings on Airbnb and VRBO. And yeah, we just when we did our market research, we just kind of tried to find, like, what were people doing right. And also what were other hosts not doing that we could do and just kind of make our place more marketable.

They just didn’t have some of the bigger cities around us, right? Like they had done they put the data together on But they didn’t have it like Wheelhouse pricing, or AirDNA, alltherooms. We tried to look up data just on our specific town and for some reason there just wasn’t a lot. Right. So. Okay,

J: And do you use any other software to run your Airbnb?

Rhees: Um, no, we just have a plug-in on our Wix site that we’re able to, you know, have bookings. And then we and then we have, you know, a scheduler for gaming and stuff as well. 

J: Is this scheduler integrated with Airbnb?

Rhees: Well, yeah, it’s a calendar that’s linked to Airbnb and VRBO and all of the platforms – using Onerooftop.


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A pool house Airbnb in Redwood City, CA

Today’s Guest is Alexander. He runs 1 Airbnb listing in Redwood City – at the heart of Silicon Valley in California. The listing is called “Cozy 1 BR Pool house with bdrm loft. It’s a self-contained one-bedroom pool house.  The average occupancy rate is 80%. Nightly rate is 160$, so it’s generating over $3,500 per month before tax. 

J: When did you start and why did you start? 

Alexander: Sure I have had a painting cleaning business for 16 years and what I do is very much tied in with real estate rentals, people buying selling, moving renting and what I would do for the last you know 16 years is making a place look perfect after the family. We would move out, right. And I was doing a job in Redwood City for a very young couple. And I’m 41 Yeah, this young girl was probably 10 years younger, and they had a little baby, you know, went to their house and I was gonna give them a quote for painting and cleaning. And I asked her, so what do you guys run this place for? I always asked to know because my wife and I had the house in our backyard. We always rented for yearly rentals,  we bought this house in 2009. And at first, we were a little skeptical to rent it out because we wanted our privacy and we were young. And then we started realizing quickly that we have a lot of bills and the money can be great. So we rented it for a year to an older woman grandmother, right for a very low amount just to test the waters out. Yeah. And after she moved out, we got a young Facebook kid because Facebook’s headquarters are in Menlo Park, which is 5-10 minutes drive from here. Yeah. And so the Facebook kid was wonderful and he was great. He stayed a year and a half. And when he left is when I went to that young woman’s house, and I asked her what she rented for. And she had a one-car garage that they converted into a little studio unit. And their unit was much smaller, you know, less desirable neighborhood. It just wasn’t anywhere as nice is our unit. Yeah. And she told us that she was making over $3,000 a month. This is years ago. This is one that the unit should have rented for 1300 dollars. Yeah, and I could not believe that they were getting so much money. And so I came home super excited after asking so many questions. Then, I told my wife and she goes, No way. We’re not gonna have a hotel in our backyard. 

So I knew that that was my biggest hurdle was my wife. I had worked on her And the ideas and answering all of our questions and the details for six months. And finally, she agreed to do it. So we started buying furniture for Airbnb. And when we finally had it set up, which was really easy to do, just like anything new in life when you’ve never been on Airbnb or been on the website, it’s confusing for the first person but when you really sit down and set it up, it’s very, very quick, very user friendly. But for the first two or three weeks ahead, and this is exactly what you probably want to know we were nervous we had put money into buying a couch, a TV, paying for cable, buying all the toiletries in the class where the kitchen was so after good weeks and not getting a hit. We were a little nervous. and we were starting to get scared. And then all of a sudden our first hit came. Yeah. And it was a woman from Turkey. And she said, Hey, I, I’m moving my husband and we were going to be working for a tech company.  And we’d like to rent your place for seven months.

J: Is it common to have like long term guests in your Airbnb?

Alexander: Yeah, so we’ve been very fortunate there. It very much depends on your situation. Our rental is across our backyard and owning a painting, cleaning business and being in the hospitality industry. It made it very easy for us to get long term guests. There are people who rent rooms on their house or just have a small apartment with as homey as our pool house. They may not get the same long term rentals that we’ve had for us.

Yes, most of our renters are little long term and currently, we have someone that is remodelling their house in a neighborhood and they rent our place for three months, you start to come up with it as a new renter, or sorry, as a new Airbnb host, you start to come up with who would rent my place who would want to be here for six months? Who would want to be here for two months? And the answer truly is you don’t know. It’ll be your neighbor’s grandmother. It’ll be your neighbor of the block and you’ve never met, just had a grandchild in the area and they want to come to stay, but they don’t want to stay with their son and their daughter in law because it’s too close and too personal. So they want to be close, but they don’t want to be in a hotel. Right and get screwed by all the hotel taxes and occupancy taxes and parking taxes. So yeah, most of our rentals, renters and guests have been long term, I’d say a minimum of three weeks and most of the months.

J: Are you just on Airbnb? Or do you use any other channels like Homeaway

Alexander: so we have only done Airbnb. Because of a few reasons why my wife and I years ago started a VRBO and we had a bad experience. Another reason for using Airbnb is because they do have a large platform for helping out they do have a million-dollar policy to help out. If something gets broken, They are a great middleman for solving things and they have resources. The third reason why we love Airbnb and haven’t tried anyone else is they have worked out a deal with our city so that if someone stayed less than 30 days, they were will facilitate and directly take out of the situation of the equation, the occupancy tax, which is also known as the hotel tax, which is 12% or area. And all of the other sites have not done this yet. The first couple of years. Airbnb hadn’t worked out any deals with any cities. But recently in the last six months, they had worked out a deal with Redwood City so we don’t have to come into Redwood City with paperwork and say I’ve had this many guests for this much time. How much do I owe? It just comes out of the equation and it’s really easy on our end.

Paying 400 dollars per month to rent an apartment, and making 300 dollars profit before cleaning and utility fees. 

J: What’s the typical demographic of the guest.

I would say most of our guests are younger, and I wouldn’t say you know, teenagers or 20. I would say most people are young families, I would say probably about your age, late 20s to early to mid-40s. But not to say we haven’t had a few grandparents or haven’t had a few 50s or 60-year-old but most people are families looking to relocate, or people coming to try and start a new business in Silicon Valley. Or people coming to visit college-bound children so they might have people at UC Berkeley or Stanford. And then also there is people just come in to visit family in the area, which is also a big one. But really, it’s just amazing that you never know why they’re coming or who they’re coming to see until they tell you, but there is a lot of opportunity in our area. I have looked recently on a map to look at my competition and I was shocked to find there are tons of new listings. I mean, I would say, forty new listings in my area from the last time that I looked at it a year and a half ago. Because there are more listings, obviously, that’s gonna affect the price. So I should be technically lowering my price by about $20 a night, but I have yet to do that because we are lucky enough with having enough booking.

J: Do you personally block your calendar for a certain purpose like for your private use?

Alexander: Yeah, actually, the people that we are renting to right now, for three months, are remodelling our house – I blocked a week after they’re leaving. The reason why I did this is that they have young children. They have pets. And I could tell just in the first week that they were saying that they’re going to be very hard on my property, meaning I’m going to need a day to fully do touch up paint, running needed day for carpet cleaning, and I’m probably going to need two days of cleaning. I know that sounds excessive. But I didn’t want to have someone book two days after they’re leaving, and not be able to return my property into the pristine condition that it deserves to be in for the next guest. We also my wife and I will book things in the summer if family members are coming to town and we want them to stay with us. That’s what gives us the flexibility to Airbnb for us allows us to make more money monthly for our client or for our family, which pays our high mortgage in the Bay Area. A mortgage in the bay area can be anywhere from 4,000 to 12,000. And if you have an average job, it’s a lot to pay so Airbnb gives us the flexibility to use our pool house and allow family members to stay there and us to use it but it also allows us to make more money monthly than we would have for regular rental.

J: What’s your occupancy rate? You’d say? Because right now I can see that you’re fully booked for the next two months. 

Alexander: currently booked more than I would say that we are easily 75 to 80%. That would be the best. Because I know that most, we usually have renters for two to three months at a time. Yeah, two times a year. And on the other times, we’re still booked three nights a week. So I would say we’re doing very good.

J: I saw that your price was higher on the weekend. How did you price them? 

Alexander: Oh, yeah. So here’s the funny thing. I set up those prices three years ago. On the weekend, and I didn’t know what I’m gonna do. Just like just choose some numbers The best I could and I have yet to change those because they still worked for the last three years. Every time I start when someone doesn’t stay with us for two weeks and I start getting worried and I’m about to lower the price. Someone books it for three months and they don’t like it. Please. So I chose Friday and Saturday nights to be higher prices just like hotels do. Then Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, are cheaper. But really, now that I’m saying this out loud, I’m kind of doing it backwards because in Silicon Valley, all of these fancy hotels that we raise for $700 a night for Monday through Friday for the tech workers, and then the weekends when they all are gone. They dropped to $200. So maybe I should be doing mine backwards, but so far, it’s been working.

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25 Airbnb apartments in Shah Alam, Malaysia

Today’s Guest is Umar. He runs over 25 Airbnb listings in Shah Alam in Malaysia – a city 30 minutes away from Kuala Lumpur. The listing is called “SmartHome iCity Shah Alam NETFLIX/WIFI/G00GLE HOME. The average occupancy rate is 80%. Renting an apartment at 1,200 Ringgit/month ($280), and making 1,000 Ringgit ($220).

J: When Did you start and why did you start?

Umar: So I started back in 2016 when I was studying, I don’t consider myself as full-time force back time then. I was studying in the states so whenever my friends went back to Malaysia during Summer. I put it up on Airbnb and oh it’s actually making money. So when I came back to Malaysia last Summer in June, that’s when I decided to put real money on Airbnb. That’s when I started my first house on June 2019. It’s less than a year. 

J: Do you use any other channels than Airbnb? 

Umar: At the moment, we are heavily on Airbnb, but some of the listings we put it on Agoda. Apart from Airbnb and Agoda, most of the bookings are coming from direct bookings. People who have stayed on my Airbnb, they are more inclined to book directly with me, instead of going to Airbnb – through WhatsApp. 

J: What’s the typical demography of your guests? 

During the weekday, it’s people who come here to work. During the weekend, it’s the people who go there with family. It’s close to the shopping mall. Or people go there for just weddings. There’s a lot of wedding places over there. So I tend to get a lot of bookings from students as well because there’s one of the biggest universities in Malaysia here. 

J: How do you price your Airbnb? 

Umar: I target every unit to make 1000 ringgit (233usd as of 14th March)) profit, which is around 350 USD. So what I do is I would backtrack, so I put my target day as 25% occupancy. So I calculate how much I need to price myself in order for me to get 1000 ringgit profit.

J: do you use any of the listings for personal use as well?

Umar: No, no. I mean like it’s under percent for the business purposes right and I don’t use it for my personal use, like five minutes away from the police. Right?

J: So yeah, when you get those houses, do you rent them out or do you buy them?

Umar: So I think suddenly all of the units that we have we rented outright because I personally think that if you want to get into short term rental game games, it’s not wise to buy the real property yourself. Right.

J: What’s the like monthly rental cost of a typical one-bedroom flat

Umar: 1,200 ringgit ($280 as of 14th March 2020)

J: So I guess you’re hiring cleaners, right? Because you have to manage quite a bit of properties. 

Umar: Yeah, I mean, like when I first started, I outsource it to an outside contractor. Yeah, but then as I’m expanding, there is no economies of scale. So it is similar. If when I have one listing, I paid them for example, $30 When I have 15 listings, I still pay them $30 rotini. So that’s when I was I think that Oh, it’s more. It’s much safer for me to free my utilities instead of hiring an outside contractor.

J: What is the software that you use for Airbnb? 

Currently, I’m using superhost tools (https://hosttools.com/), but I don’t have any favourite software, because there is no software that can cater to the South East Asia market. Catering for the Malaysia market, they don’t have that kind of software. 
I’m using a lot of different party software, they are created by people who are staying in the United States. So in states people don’t use WhatsApp, they use like, they use email, they use message. They don’t use WhatsApp. People in Malaysia, they tend to use WhatsApp, almost for anything. I’ve been trying to find a software that has connectivity with WhatsApp, but it’s not available yet in the market. 

J: Okay, I see. Gotcha. And what’s your plan with? Like this whole Airbnb thing? Like, do you want to keep growing it? And do you have any like, long term goal? Like Where do you see yourself in one year with Airbnb?

Umar: Okay, so I have a few goals that I want to achieve. The first one is that, so I want to be able to gain control of the specific market in ICP Shah-Alam. So there’s a lot of competition over there. So I’m planning to become one of the main operators over there, and to do that, what I’m planning to do is having a competitive price. So when you have a lot of listings, that’s when you can have a lower cost. So what I’m planning to do is like to have a lower cost so that I can put a very, very low price. in order for the competitors to exit the market. Another goal is to reach out to other cities in Malaysia. So right now we have 24 in Shah-Alam. We have one in the KLCC (Kuala Lumpur City Centre) area. So we are planning to expand in the KLCC area. 


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